The Duke of Wellington was not the only British High-Level Official who had doubts over British titles over Malvinas. There are tons of documents in which different officials express their concern on their alleged “rights”.
On the contrary, Argentine government officials had never had any doubt that the Malvinas belong to Argentina and that fact is reflected in myriads of documents including maps.
British propagandists now accuse Argentina of not reflecting its sovereignty over the islands in official maps published in the XIX century. There is specially one map in question over which UK propaganda seeks to distort history and reality: the 1882 Latzina map. More than 130 years later British propaganda now argues that the color in which the islands are depicted is similar to the ones used for Chile and Uruguay.
This map depicts the islands as “Islas Malvinas” and hence part of Argentina.
The 1882 Latzina map was adopted at the request of the National Government and portrays different farming opportunities for immigrants. It depicts the regions apt for farming throughout Argentina’s whole territory and regions are sketched with different shades of color. The Malvinas are colored in the same pale beige used for the city Buenos Aires as both territories offered the same scarce farming opportunities. One can easily see that the color used for Argentina’s mainland territory also varies depending on the region farming opportunities.
Besides, if Malvinas were not depicted as part of Argentina’s territory, why does the map include details of all geographical features and accidents as it does with the rest of Argentina’s national territory? And why does the map do not include the geographical accidents and features of Uruguay and Chile?
These geographical accidents are not detailed in the case of Chile and Uruguay, though they are the same color as the one used for Malvinas and the city of Buenos Aires. Why not? Because these are neighboring countries.
The fact is that British propaganda is seeking to distort historical documents and facts with blatant lies in a desperate attempt to fool public opinion. The distortion about the 1882 Map is part of that propaganda campaign.
Argentina always included Malvinas in its official cartography as “Malvinas” and hence part of its national territory. To name but a few, in 1886, Argentina’s Geographical Institute published a map depicting Tierra del Fuego Governance which included Malvinas. In 1918, the islands are presented as “Islas Malvinas” and hence part of Argentina on a map issued by the Agricultural Ministry that depicted the whole Argentine territory in different shades and colors according to degree of agricultural development and availability of railroad networks.
9 November, 2015 at 10:47 pm
next time they are going to say tha ruda was not argentine and that the UN really never existed. Do not pay attention to al the blatant lies they say all the time, they are exposing themselves as liars and it looks bad, really bad on them. especially, there is a gap between what London thinks and what Puerto Argentino says.. Islanders want london to be more active against argentina, but london does not want to push. the kelper lobby is too much.
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10 November, 2015 at 12:03 am
Tsk, Marcos, still peddling a fiction eh? No matter how many times you claim a lie is true, it will never be.
And as if by magic, the fake maps have disappeared from your blog. Is it not telling that you’re compelled to resort to faking historical documents.
Un abrazo.
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10 November, 2015 at 3:25 am
Justin YOU ARE the KINGS of THE LIARS!The color represent farming opportunities..JAJAJAJAJA poor brutish BASTARDS!14000 km away from England still thinks of the empire..MALVINAS ARGNEITNAS,brits PIRATES!
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10 November, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Thank you Miguel for all your comments! Indeed, british propaganda seeks to confuse. They will not succeed.
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10 November, 2015 at 3:02 pm
Nothing has disappeared from my blog, so please do not make up things. What has disappear is your honestly, long time ago, as well as some maps from the Archivo General de La Nacion, after you and the two puppets visited.
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10 November, 2015 at 3:30 pm
Dear Sir. I reject your message, because nothing was taking out of this blog. But maybe you can explain, because I see you are a historian as I am. There is a person who is called “Pepper” who visited the Archivo General de la Nacion in 2005 and 2006 and took some maps and documents with him. Is it you? Are you also known as Pepper?
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13 November, 2015 at 3:52 pm
MAlvina:Are the MAps and documents taken by those 2 clowns salt&pepper replaceable?If not I think Argentina should take legal actions against these 2 pirates and recover the documents.SALUDOS!
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10 November, 2015 at 12:26 am
Excellent job, Marcos. Thank you very much for disseminating facts and truths against English campaign of manipulation and misinformation. Very much appreciated work and all my respects!
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10 November, 2015 at 2:57 pm
Thank you, Alejandro!
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10 November, 2015 at 12:30 am
Justin, who fakes what? Check that the map shown in Marcos’ work is as official as the stamp can attest. Maybe your arguments are baseless. The map shows many other areas in continental Argentina showing the same colour as Malvinas! And what about the detailed names provided for every and each geographical features? Not in Chile, Uruguay or third countries. And Argentine as Malvinas are, geographical features names are all mentioned. And besides, on top of that, as Marcos very well points out, why did your country have to wait so many years to claim this alleged truth? The map did exist in 1965, for instance, when England and Argentina began negotiations about sovereignty. There is no need to revise objective facts now to try to change reality. Come to terms with it and relax. Respect international law and negotiate. And the problem will be solved.
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10 November, 2015 at 9:00 pm
No I am not John Pepper, besides I think he is Argentine. @johnpepper447
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10 November, 2015 at 9:29 pm
No, not that Pepper. Pepper the man who – together with Pascoe- wrote about Malvinas/Falklands. He is the one who visited the Archivo general de La Nacion between 2005 and 2006. After this visit, some documents were missing.
John Pepper is Argentine, born in the USA (that’s what he told me)
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10 November, 2015 at 9:54 pm
Ridiculous allegation. Good to see though that you are now using an authentic version of the Latzina map and not the fake you had before.
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11 November, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Junius, I never used a fake map, never did, never will.
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10 November, 2015 at 9:30 pm
(Rumor has it and that has been going around twitter for long time now.)
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11 November, 2015 at 2:07 am
Long time? About a week in fact and started by John Pepper. You idiots are so funny.
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11 November, 2015 at 7:00 pm
Lorton, so it makes sense what they are saying: are you reading our chats with the Malvineros group?? How do you know how it started? This confirms who you are and Malvineros is right: you belong to the MI6. Ask them to change your job because at this stage, everybody knows know you are https://theintercept.com/2015/04/02/gchq-argentina-falklands/
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10 November, 2015 at 10:13 pm
Ah the deflection tactics, make a slanderous accusation against an innocent party without a shred of proof.
So Marcos, back the subject, tell us why do you use faked documents?
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11 November, 2015 at 2:06 am
Allegations from a fake profile? Wow – that’ll change things.
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11 November, 2015 at 7:11 pm
John Pepper is fake? I do not think so. The forms signed by Pepper- your mupped- exists, so do his visits to the AGN.
Lorton, I saw that you have been saying that you are being harrased on social media? That’s what you do with me, on Twitter, all the time.
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11 November, 2015 at 7:01 pm
Shred of truth? Did you visit the Archivo General de la Nacion? Did you see the forms? We all had and saw the photos…. but wait: Lorton read our secret chats… that’s what Spies do and what the Quito Plan ordered. Busted! You Kuntz and Lorton. https://theintercept.com/2015/04/02/gchq-argentina-falklands/
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11 November, 2015 at 7:03 pm
Faked documents? Now: what’s wrong with you besides in inability to read Spanish and other languages? Are you idiot or just retarded? Is part of the Quito plan to look so arrogant and stupid? https://theintercept.com/2015/04/02/gchq-argentina-falklands/
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11 November, 2015 at 7:22 pm
Kuntz, poor British spies! The matter is not settled. The documents were stolen by somebody called Pepper and guess what? Maybe if he goes to the Court in Argentina some day, he can defend himself. Are you going to send somebody of the MI6 to check? Please do and tell him I say hi.
I did not use fake documents, never did, never will. That’s something I see you and Junius are obsessed with. In Spanish we say “El pez por la boca muere”- you have exposed yourself clearly!
It’s been fun, Justin.
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11 November, 2015 at 6:58 pm
Kuntz, can you read spanish? read that the “leyenda” says.
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13 November, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Facts are facts. UK kept silent in 1820 and the Circular was more than public. As to the map, supposing Argentina made what you claim, why did the UK ALSO kept silent? Come on, besides UK negotiated sovereignty from 1966 onwards, several options discussed, and faces today an obligation imposed by the UN to resume those negotiations.
And it is clear that the map in question is not fake (it even bears a stamp) and geographical features plus the shades of colors coinciding with other regions of Argentina itself are more than enough to prove that your arguments are simply FICTIONS. Let’s engage in serious exchanges on how to move forward instead
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14 November, 2015 at 12:37 pm
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/11/06/falklands-maps-and-the-times-report-manipulated-in-argentine-embassy-pamphlets
Lets all take a moment to remember the map originally used. Faker than a fake thing. And while we’re busy, remember the ICJ case http://legal.un.org/riaa/cases/vol_XXI/53-264.pdf, which ruled that Picton, Nueva and Lennox islands were shown as Chilean. Falklands are denoted in exactly the same way.
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18 November, 2015 at 4:25 pm
Kunz, check that the maps are attested by the National Library. I think the maps you are using have been manipulated. But, as you own the propaganda outlet Mercopress, you have more space to spread your lies. congratulations, but the propaganda plan is not working out.
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20 November, 2015 at 11:47 am
Boston Public Library
http://maps.bpl.org/id/19405
Sardoa Digital Library, Museo sardo di Geologia e Paleontologia “Domenico Lovisato” – Dipartimento di scienze chimiche e geologiche – Università di Cagliari
http://www.sardoa.com/index.php?it/85/archivio/sardoa_oggetti/3434/show
Biblioteca Digital Hispánica
http://bdh-rd.bne.es/viewer.vm?id=0000099127&page=1
Not my version, they happen to have been digitised by independent academic institutions around the world. Only the Argentine version differs.
So according to you only the Argentine version is real and all the others are manipulated. Proves my point. “In a classic example of cognitive dissonance, the manipulated Argentine versions are accepted as the true version and the legend of Operation Quito enables the originals to be dismissed as a British false flag operation.”
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25 November, 2015 at 7:16 pm
UK remained silent up to 1829. That’s a fact. Despite Argentina’s overt, public, peaceful exercise of sovereignty.
UNGA resolution 2065 was an invitation and, despite UN General Assembly resolutions only being “advisory”, both UK and Argentina however formally informed the Secretary General of their decision to abide by UNGA resolution 2065 (XX) and keep him informed (A/6262 and A/6261, respectively)
Res. 2065 specifically noted the “provisions and objectives of the Charter of the United Nations and of General Assembly resolution 1514 (XV)” which was a direct reference to territorial integrity. 2065 confirmed non-applicability of self-determination in this case as only the “interests” (not “wishes”) of the “population” (not “people”) are to be duly taken into account.
Negotiations commenced in 1966 “…with a view to finding a peaceful solution to the problem” and continued until 1982 when both countries went to war over the islands.
In 1982, UNSC resolutions did not condemn Argentina as “aggressor” but demanded “diplomatic solution” of both countries. Later in 1982, once the conflict was over, UN members at UNGA adopted resolution 37/9 of 4 November 1982 reiterating 2065 in all its terms. The armed conflict did not put an end to the bilateral sovereignty dispute and the UNGA confirmed this.
In 1989 and 1990 UK and Argentina agreed on a “sovereignty formula” acknowledging the existence of the sovereignty dispute and spelled out its territorial extension: Malvinas, South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands and the surrounding maritime areas, as both jointly informed the UN Secretary General (A/44/678-S/20195 and A/45/136-S/21159).
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19 November, 2015 at 12:39 am
But Justin, even in “your” version of the map, besides de islands being the same colour as many other areas of Argentine continent, the geographical features are showed and named. This is not the case with all “foreign” territory like Chile and Uruguay. This is a fact, even in your version of the map which attests to this.
It’s no use crying over spilt milk. Maybe you should have tried this 130 years later, you might have been luckier than today.
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27 November, 2015 at 12:17 am
Wow, this is a good start. Sensible and mature future as both leaders admit differences and “path of open dialogue” as way forward to overcome bilateral differences! https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-president-elect-macri-25-november-2015
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19 December, 2015 at 12:20 am
Interesting first reactions of Argentina’s new Government:
“On the fiftieth anniversary of the UN General Assembly resolution 2065, the Argentine government commemorates this historic achievement of Argentine diplomacy, reaffirms its commitment to international law, the peaceful solution to the controversy, and multilateralism, and in the framework of dialogue calls on the UK to resume negotiations for the search of a solution to the sovereignty dispute over the Malvinas, South Georgia, South Sandwich Islands and adjacent maritime spaces, as has been requested by the international community over the last fifty years” at http://en.mercopress.com/2015/12/17/argentina-recalls-un-resolution-2065-fiftieth-anniversary-and-renews-call-for-falklands-negotiations
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29 December, 2015 at 11:58 am
Marcos… Now after all the bullshit you and others have posted..
What’s next?
For you to steal my homeland and ethnically cleanse we Falkland Islanders from our country..
Lets look at YOUR options..
1) If you had balls big enough (courage) you’d use ANY of the international Courts..
2) You could strengthen your military to such an extent that you could use force yet again to steal my home and my country from me..
But remember that risks full scale war..
3) You could stop wasting your time, and utilise in a far better way by making your country so attractable.. That we Falkland Islanders would be DEMANDING THAT YOU ANNEXE US..
4) You could simply forget the whole thing, and allow all to get on with our lives and make the region a far happier and prosperous place..
So which is it for you idiotic malvinisatas..?
Have I missed anything out?
Do you argies have what it takes..
The courage of YOUR convictions?
Kindest regards from the very best little country in the world..
The Falkland Islands
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2 January, 2016 at 8:23 pm
INternational COurts?Invited Argnetina the uk..1884 and 5 toimes after uk TURNED IT DOWN!
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29 December, 2015 at 12:02 pm
The other point that I’d like to make to you and the rest of argentina..
If only you idiotic malvinistas would get up of their fat lazy asses and do something about their mystical mythical malvinas.. Instead they prefer shouting malvinas, malvinas, having malvinas tantrums, posting such crap as seen above and doing not much else!!
Only you argies can resolve your mystical mythical malvinas debacle..
Only you..
Finish it..!
Do you have the balls for it..?
Or do you only wish to continue with this useless and idiotic behaviour..
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2 January, 2016 at 8:22 pm
MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,brutish PIRATE!
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