In this document, I present the real facts, as I have been doing in this blog.
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English: Facts And Fictions Malvinas Islands Final
Español: Ficciones y Hechos sobre las Islas Malvinas
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Malvinas Islands: Facts and Fictions
9 October, 2015 at 10:39 pm
Real fact? All you present are old distortions and propaganda. Learn the truth about the UN.
https://falklandstimeline.wordpress.com/
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12 October, 2015 at 4:07 am
The fake PHD is back and trolling like never before. Dear Roger, please read this. It might help you a little bit http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/mar/12/falklands-vote-ruritanian-colonial-relic
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12 October, 2015 at 9:49 am
I have a Masters child – not a Phd. can you never get anything correct? And do you not have anything more recent?
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12 October, 2015 at 4:23 am
your lies are so fake nobody even wants to publish you. like pascoe and pepper. that blog is pathetic, so much so, it is really surprising people who say are so qualified produced such cheap arguments. keep dreaming, lorton and attacking: two things you do well. you seek so desparate it hurts. patethic.
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12 October, 2015 at 9:50 am
It will be published when it is finished. Pascoe & Pepper currently have 2 books being prepared for publication. Yet again, you open your mouth before engaging your brain.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:08 pm
Dear Lorton. I believe we are all grown ups and well aware of what the UN is and how it works… It is quite interesting that you are trying without any success to rewrite the history. You blog is really poor.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:09 pm
I do have something more recent, John: http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/UNASUR-Countries-Unanimously-Back-Malvinas-Claim-20151004-0001.html If Lorton can read, apart from trolling, he might like this.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:10 pm
And here too: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/falklandislands/10907986/China-backs-Argentinas-position-on-Falkland-Islands.html. Might be good for you to read this: http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gaspd580.doc.htm
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14 October, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Checked!
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14 October, 2015 at 7:16 pm
Two books by the Two puppets P&P? Full of lies, like your blog? I am quite surprised how the kelper lobby works. But propaganda will not save you from having to negotiate one day with Argentina.
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17 October, 2015 at 11:21 pm
Lorton: We know you, why you spread lies and what’s behind that: https://www.eff.org/document/20150402-intercept-gchq-operation-quito-shape-falklands-public-opinion
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10 October, 2015 at 3:33 am
I think it is you who should learn about the UN. Check the latest press release on GA Fourth Committee deliberations, fresh from the oven, at http://www.un.org/press/en/2015/gaspd580.doc.htm entitled “Argentina Enjoys Widespread Support over Question of Falklands (Malvinas) as Fourth Committee Begins Debate on Decolonization Matters”
Clearly the UN does not support your views and propaganda. Check your records instead!
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11 October, 2015 at 12:58 pm
Has the Fourth Committee approved a new UN Resolution? If they do not, then 2015 has been exactly the same as 2014, and every year back to 1989.
You should not rely on press releases.
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11 October, 2015 at 6:35 pm
what do you think about this, junius? https://twitter.com/tururod/status/648301232499609602
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12 October, 2015 at 4:41 am
And we should rely on YOUR BLOG? You are so fake
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12 October, 2015 at 10:00 am
Astor – What I think is that Uti Possidetis Juris was a political agreement dating from the Congress of Lima in 1848 which only bound the countries that signed it. Britain did not – and nor did Argentina. I also note that Argentina has never been a “decolonization case” at the UN.
Other than that facundo has – typically – taken the quote out of context.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:18 pm
So, Sr. “donotrelyonpressreleases”: still relying on Tiempo Argentina? Shame on you. Did you have time time to read this or are you still going around the bushes with your lies? http://statements.unmeetings.org/media2/7652187/uruguay-unasur.pdf
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17 October, 2015 at 11:21 pm
Quito plan. Does it ring a bell to you, Lorton? Oh, wait: that’s what you do for living. https://www.eff.org/document/20150402-intercept-gchq-operation-quito-shape-falklands-public-opinion
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12 October, 2015 at 11:45 am
The United Kingdom has not even attempted to present a reasoned argument to justify invoking self-determination. It takes as axiomatic that the “islanders” have the right to decide the future of their territory, and simply points to the general rules relating to the principle of self-determination. The British authorities never explain specifically why this right of “peoples” might be applicable to the case of the Malvinas. They provide either incomplete or falsified information on the composition of the islands’ population. They simply state that many of the inhabitants can list several generations of ancestors who were born on the islands. They believe that they can compare the situation on the islands with the way in which Argentina’s mainland population came to be formed. They seek to prove that when Great Britain expelled Argentina from the Malvinas by force, only the authorities, troops and their families were evicted, and not the entire population of the islands that had lived under Argentine governance. The lack of rationale, the omissions and the fabrications explain why the United Kingdom has made no serious effort to seek recognition of its position by the United Nations General Assembly or its subsidiary body, the Decolonisation Committee. And when, in 1985, it tried to do so, its proposal was rejected by the highest representative body of the UN.
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13 October, 2015 at 9:03 pm
Thank you, Catulo.
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13 October, 2015 at 10:15 pm
You obviously haven’t read Lyall-Grant’s letters to the United Nations. I suggest you look up the 2012 one – very informative.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:19 pm
I suggest you read http://statements.unmeetings.org/media2/7652181/paraguay-mercosur.pdf + this: http://m.tn.com.ar/politica/putin-ratifico-el-apoyo-para-la-argentina-por-el-reclamo-de-las-malvinas_516597
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14 October, 2015 at 9:49 pm
Thanks Astor.
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17 October, 2015 at 11:22 pm
We know who you are. Even if you send your friends to highjack my account, we all know who you are and why you do what you do: https://www.eff.org/document/20150402-intercept-gchq-operation-quito-shape-falklands-public-opinion
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19 October, 2015 at 6:17 am
UN discussions? The only thing that counts Astor is a UN GA Resolution. Nothing for Argentina since 1988
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13 October, 2015 at 1:26 am
Thank your for such a useful source Catulo. Let’s keep in touch via direct messages then. Interestingly hidden is the following:
A brief analysis of the demography of the islands clearly reveals the artificial nature of Britain’s claim that the settlers constitute a separate people and are thereby entitled to self-determination. In 1851, 18 years after the seizure of the islands, the total population was 287 –roughly the same number of inhabitants as there was at the height of the community’s development during the period of Argentine administration towards the end of the 1820s. For a century, the number of inhabitants remained between 2,272 in 1911 and 2,841, according to the latest census in 2012. There were peaks, as in 1931 (2,392 inhabitants), and after generally remaining stable, this figure began to decline in 1962 (2,172 inhabitants) reducing to 1,813 inhabitants by 1980. Following the war in 1982, the population grew by almost a third in just thirty years. The reason for this was the economic boom produced by the granting of fishing licenses. These figures demonstrate that the demographic growth of the population is not natural.
The number of inhabitants on the islands is essentially dependent upon the economic and administrative needs of the colonial power. The population primarily comprises civil servants of the Crown, landowners and business men and women. Today, the second major “village” on the islands is made up of the civilian staff at the Mount Pleasant military base. They represent 15% of the islands’ population. The less well paid jobs are done by immigrants from Chile and Santa Helena. And yet the British citizens alone have the right to vote. Added to this there is also discrimination towards the Argentine citizens. Immediately after the end of the 1982 war, the resident Argentine citizens working for the fuel and transport provision services were expelled. For 17 years Argentine passport holder were banned from the right to visit the islands, even as tourists. An unwritten law prohibits Argentines from owning real estate, to the extent that those inheriting such properties were forced to sell them.
The manipulation of the latest census is blatant. As the majority of the inhabitants were not even born on the islands, the British authorities did not provide this information initially. In place of this, they provided information on how individual islanders identified themselves in terms of their “national identity”. The “result” was that 59% responded “Falkland Islander” and 29% “British”. This clearly shows that many of those who define themselves as “Islanders” are in actual fact British citizens having arrived from the United Kingdom. Indeed, many of them are the supposed “spokespersons” for the inhabitants, either as governmental or legislative representatives or as opinion makers in the islands’ media.
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13 October, 2015 at 8:31 pm
I was also wondering: is there any official spokesperson? or the trolls are the ones doing that… informally?
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13 October, 2015 at 10:18 pm
The number of inhabitants is entirely irrelevant to the issue of self-determination. If there were only 10 people they would still have the right to self-determination. The UN has never set a figure.
The last census was not manipulated – there is no need as the numbers do not make a difference.
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13 October, 2015 at 10:44 pm
Please provide the reference number of the UN GA resolution that says that the Falklands are – SPECIAL AND PARTICULAR
There is a full list here – http://www.un.org/documents/resga.htm
As for population. The size of the population is irrelevant. The NSGT of Pitcairn has 53 people – with the right of self-determination. If the falklands only had 53 people, they too would still have the right.
Res 2625 clearly states that the NSGT of the Falklands is separate to Britain.
How people identify themselves is also irrelevant.
Cannot see what you hope to achieve with this nonsense.
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14 October, 2015 at 7:20 pm
And what do you expect to go with your nonsense? Besides becoming a well known troll on Social Media?
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17 October, 2015 at 1:16 pm
And what do you expect from your tired old propaganda Astor?
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19 October, 2015 at 3:48 pm
Yep. People are tired of your propaganda. Very cheap indeed.
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19 October, 2015 at 6:45 pm
Dear Junius, can you provide the number of a specific resolution on Malvinas that states what you suggest? Because I am positive there is not one.
This is not propaganda. These are real facts.
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14 October, 2015 at 11:47 am
Go and check any UNGA C24 resolution and you will find it. Name one UNGA resolution (including C24) where self detetmination is said to apply to Malvinas or that islanders are a “people”. List is here http://www.un.org/documents/resga.htm
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14 October, 2015 at 10:45 pm
Think you are a little confused between the UNGA and the C24, or it could be you are deliberately trying to make out the C24 and the UNGA are the same thing.
Self Determination….
Section 4 ……
http://www.un.org/en/ga/search/view_doc.asp?symbol=A/RES/69/99
Can’t see any exceptions specified to the NSGT’s. Surely if they are not entitled to Self Determination as you suggest, they would say so, other wise one must assume they are talking about ‘all the NSGT’.
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17 October, 2015 at 11:26 pm
We know who you are. Alongside, front man troll and Lorton: http://tn.com.ar/politica/snowden-s-documents-the-internal-manual-that-explains-how-to-manipulate-people-through-internet-oper_592092
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15 October, 2015 at 7:09 am
And of course 2065 itself states twice ‘the granting of Independence to colonial countries and peoples relating to the Falkland Islands….’
So there is a resolution for you which states the Islanders are a people.
Now I have proved UNGA resolutions contain what you say, do not exist:
1. That the Islanders are indeed entitled to self determination
2. That they are considered a people (funny how it even states it in the one resolution you are so proud of) seems your great uncle wasn’t so brilliant after all.
Now your turn to prove that the islanders do not have the right to self determination or are not a people. Resolutions please, not just your interpretation of a what you think the wording means, but actual written proof that the UN has specifically excluded the Falkland Islanders from all other NSGT resolutions and stated they are a special case. No statements please (these are not resolutions) from the C24 (a minor sub, sub committee).
As ever I await in eternal anticipation………
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14 October, 2015 at 11:49 am
And of course, let us omit personal insulta as we discuss. There is no need unless you feel frustrated. I dont and dont think this is nonsense!
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14 October, 2015 at 7:21 pm
Dear Marcos. please be aware that there is a site you can read and share too on Malvinas: http://malvinasislasargentinas.blogspot.com.ar/2015/10/con-un-folleto-los-kelpers-quieren.html
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14 October, 2015 at 8:41 pm
UN C24 cannot make a Resolution, it is not empowered to do so.
It can make recommendations and submit reports to the UNGA 4th Committee, which can make Resolutions, but the UN C24 doesn’t even properly discuss matters, and doesn’t even vote on proposals, it relies on a Consensus, and the make up of the UN C24 is full of Countries with extremely poor Human Rights Records, no-one will listen to them or take their Recommendations by Vote, let alone Consensus, its just a talking shop that achieves nothing.
Yet, Argentina refers to this talking shop as being the font of all wisdom, quoting it’s none ‘Resolutions’ as if they are real ones. While ignoring the real UN Institution that could resolve this matter legally, the UN ICJ or UN PCA Courts.
Frankly, anything said by an Argentine Politician regarding the Falkland Islands (if not any other subject), should be taken with a large pinch of Salt.
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14 October, 2015 at 9:47 pm
Argentina tried to take UK to Arbitration, but the UK did not go. Now, the question I’d like to ask the UK is IF they would be willing to go to Court now. I guess they won’t- that’s why the “self-determination” is being pursued. We all know that self-determination does not apply to this case, it does not matter, what is being said now, by islanders. They will be respected, so will their interests. I believe there is one big problem that arises when people do not understand that this is a matter of territorial sovereignty.
I agree with you: what politicians say in Argentina (and in UK) should be taken with a large pinch of Salt.
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17 October, 2015 at 1:15 pm
Please produce the official invitation from Argentina asking the UK to go to arbitration. It does not exist. All the rest is bullshit.
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14 October, 2015 at 9:07 pm
Hola Marcos, el gusto es todo mio, quiero saber si si vas a tenerlo en español porque yo lo puedo traducir. Te mando mi correo por privado porque lo puedo hacer sin problemas porque es necesario. Te mando muchos cariños. Adri
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15 October, 2015 at 6:10 pm
So how do you respect the islanders when you insist they are none people and have no say in their future?
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17 October, 2015 at 11:27 pm
http://tn.com.ar/politica/snowden-s-documents-the-internal-manual-that-explains-how-to-manipulate-people-through-internet-oper_592092
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16 October, 2015 at 2:27 am
We respect the islanders, of course we do. But that cannot amount to considering them a “people” different from their country of citizenship. They are as British as Londoners and hence citizens of the occupying power. How can self determination apply to citizens of the Administering power, so to speak???
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16 October, 2015 at 3:08 pm
Mauricio, you still don’t quite understand the concept of British…..
Scottish and British, English and British, Welsh and British……
Welsh and English????????
‘Londonder’ the same as ‘Glaswegian’????? …..go say that to Glaswegian, see how he reacts. You may get a Glaswegian Kiss if you are lucky.
Falklander and British…….
British is a collective term for the many diverse cultures and peoples that make up the UK of GB and NI.
I will try and make it simple for you:
As a general rule, all Falklanders can be British but not all British can be Falklanders, do you understand the concept?
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16 October, 2015 at 8:08 pm
I think that you are the one trying to make sense and simply can. I support Mauricio´s comments because he is simply right.
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16 October, 2015 at 8:07 pm
¡Por fin alquien más que se la juega por Malvinas! Gracias Marcos por todo tu laburo. Le vamos a dar difusión #Malvineros
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16 October, 2015 at 8:25 pm
Muchas Gracias, Tristán por tu mensaje.
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26 October, 2015 at 9:45 pm
Este trabajo no encara las dificultades fundamentales que tiene la Argentina de preparar un caso para la Corte Internacional de Justicia. El diálogo entre ambos países fue terminado por Argentina en 1982 con su abominable conducta.
Debe concluirse que la instancia siguiente debe ser presentar un caso valedero ante la Corte Internacional de Justicia. El Reino Unido puso las dependencias de las Islas dentro de esa jurisdicción ya en los años 50 pero Argentina siempre se ha rehusado a participar de acuerdo a la documentación pública de la Corte Internacional.
Las Naciones Unidas no poseen poder de un tribunal internacional que es lo que se necesita a los efectos de evaluar una disputa de soberanía sobre la cual las partes claramente no pueden llegar a un acuerdo. Es ridículo presionar a otros países para que “den su opinon” cómo ha hecho Argentina. La ley internacional es lo único que importa.
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28 October, 2015 at 3:53 am
ARGENTINA invited the uk for ARBITRATION and they refused.brits PAID LIAR!
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28 October, 2015 at 8:03 pm
That information is correct. There is a memo from the Foreign Office 371/1258, dated 27 September 1911. It reads “Foreign Secretary Sir E. Grey “[does not] propose the conflucion of a treaty [of arbitration] with the Argentine Government until the British title to the Falkland Islands has been recognised”.
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3 November, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Typically taken out of context as with so much Argentine “evidence”
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28 October, 2015 at 8:14 pm
Creo que lo que dices es muy discutible. Creo que el Reino Unido, con la tergiversación histórica que realiza de los argumentos pone en jaque no solo su credibilidad, sino su honor.
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29 October, 2015 at 1:46 am
uk DOES NOT RECOGNICE any conflict prior to 1984 to be considered for arbitration..http://www.icj-cij.org/jurisdiction/index.php?p1=5&p2=1&p3=3&code=GB
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3 November, 2015 at 10:40 pm
Argentina does not recognise any conflict AT ALL to be considered for ICJ arbitration. Still know nothing don’t you Pussy Les? LOL
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4 November, 2015 at 3:23 am
lordtrash:YOU ARE FINISHED!PAID LIAR!
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10 November, 2015 at 12:54 am
Qué buen laburo, sos un capo. Ayuda y mucho porque el gobierno no dice nada y estos tipos no paran de tirar cualquier cosa. Very good! Facts and not fictions. Pero no te olvides de publicar todo en español también capo!
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10 November, 2015 at 2:56 pm
Thank you Catulo, I will publish this information in Spanish and Portuguese, later in the day today.
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11 November, 2015 at 2:05 am
Usual propaganda from the Malvinistas. The matter is settled. Argentina lost.
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11 November, 2015 at 7:12 pm
Again, you make us all very very bored. Lorton: the matter is not settled. It does not matter how hard you try. The matter is not settled and UNGA 2065 (XX) is alive and kicking.
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23 November, 2015 at 8:00 pm
your propagandist falklandero, have us tired of your crappy documents. go and dedicate something else.
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10 November, 2015 at 11:40 am
junius:YOU ARE A PAID LIAR!JAJAJAJ MALVINAS ARGENTINAS,nrit PIRATE!
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27 November, 2015 at 12:16 am
Wow, this is a good start. Sensible and mature future as both leaders admit differences and “path of open dialogue” as way forward to overcome bilateral differences! https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-call-with-president-elect-macri-25-november-2015
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19 December, 2015 at 12:28 am
Interesting first reactions of Argentina’s new Government:
“The Malvinas issue can’t be sidestepped because it is an historic and central issue. There is a deep feeling of the Argentines. Nobody is sidestepping the issues. It’s an issue that is there and we must try to see if there are mechanisms to advance it”, pointed out Foreign Minister Malcorra
http://en.mercopress.com/2015/12/16/malvinas-is-central-for-argentina-but-there-are-a-lot-of-other-areas-to-work-with-the-uk
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28 December, 2015 at 11:02 am
Malvinas ‘a constitutional issue, not optional’; plans for a South Atlantic secretariat which includes Antarctica
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